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Old 04-14-2017, 05:38 PM   #1
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Default ADS-B Out for 2020. What is available for us.

This thread is to generate discussion for ADS-B Out options that many of us will be considering prior to the 2020 deadline for compliance.


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Old 04-14-2017, 05:39 PM   #2
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This looks promising...

http://nebula.wsimg.com/dff23c04c877...&alloworigin=1

https://youtu.be/nWOdynW0k2U?t=2m30s


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Old 04-14-2017, 05:41 PM   #3
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Here is another small lightweight option I am considering.

http://www.uavionix.com/products/echoesx/
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Seems like there are some low cost options coming soon. I wonder if there will be any product launches at Oshkosh this year.
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The Nebula one looks interesting.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:01 AM   #6
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Default ADS-B Out for 2020. What is available for us.

Trig TT-22 with Garmin GPS-20 GPS is a solid solution for about $3000 total. It's only an out solution.

or with trig's TN-72 but only if you want ADSB but as a safety feature the TN-72 doesn't have an approved ENOUGH GPS solution for Airspace.

"TN72 certification is based upon an FAA standard known as Traffic Awareness Beacon System or TABS"

TABS is not good enough certification for class c or b airspace.
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Old 04-16-2017, 12:11 AM   #7
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I have a TT-22 transponder and am getting GRT's gps box. 500 bucks, not bad.
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I like Levil. Simple ADSB out.

https://youtu.be/nWOdynW0k2U
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I'm curious if the FAA rebate will apply to the Levil Beacon. I'm guessing it doesn't since the Levil Beacon does not appear to be TSO'd.
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The really hard to look at (not) spokes lady, says they hope to have it for ALL CERTIFIED Aircraft by the 2020 mandate, not just Experimental.
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What's the word on ADSB and aerobatics? The IAC has mentioned that the update rate isn't fast enough with whatever was available months ago.

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Where are the GPS antennas being mounted on a Pitts?
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Where are the GPS antennas being mounted on a Pitts?
Where's the GPS antenna being mounted on biplanes in general?

The upper wing seems like it would make for the best location with the most work to install. Perhaps in a wing band?

The turtle deck seems like it might work.

Adequate ground plane for either of these locations though is a consideration if it is required.
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Default ADS-B Out for 2020. What is available for us.

This install document for the Garmin 35A gives some insight into proper locations. No mention of a required
Grounding plane.

http://static.garmin.com/pumac/GA35G...structions.pdf
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Do you even need a ground plane for a gps "receiving" antenna?
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I don't think so
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The Stratus ESG going into my Champ requires something like 4"x4" of ground plane, according to my avionics installer. Seems odd to me, but I suppose it's up to Appareo to call out what they think is required. A patch antenna (which these all are) shouldn't really need any ground plane, though I'm sure they can get better performance with them. Consider how impressive the GPS antenna is in your phone, and it can't have much or any ground plane in play (since it still works when you're not holding it).
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I recently made a major avionics update to comply with new regulations in europe. Trig tt21 Mode S with ADSB out. ADSB In via the power Flarm unit. And in that catch changed COM to Trig Ty91 8.33 Mhz
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Where are the GPS antennas being mounted on a Pitts?
Will ya need one on the bottom as well .. since they spend a lot of time Upside Down ?
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On my S-2A the GPS antenna is mounted on the top of the turtledeck. Garmin antenna connected to a -196 in a RAM cradle clamped to a tube. Works fine.

If I wind up needing a second gps antenna there is space on the sheet metal behind the windscreen and in front of the instrument panel. Modern 12+ channel GPS receivers aren't appreciably hindered by the top wing.

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My Pitts has a Garmin GPS antenna mounted inside the baggage compartment. Dunno how strong the signal is but never an issue seeing enough satellites.
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My Pitts has a Garmin GPS antenna mounted inside the baggage compartment. Dunno how strong the signal is but never an issue seeing enough satellites.
Glen,

What are the baggage compartment and aircraft materials which are between the antenna and the sky?
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I think it's just plywood, fabric, and paint. I'll have a closer inspection tomorrow.
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I think it's just plywood, fabric, and paint. I'll have a closer inspection tomorrow.
I was considering that aircraft fabric covering/coating material has aluminum powder in it, which could possibly interfere or weaken signals trying to pass through it.

Does anyone have experience with this?
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A while back, there was some discussion going on in another thread and systems such as the Skyguard, the Navworx, and the Freeflight Systems (and others) were being discussed.

http://www.biplaneforum.com/showthread.php?t=11194


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