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Old 08-10-2017, 02:57 AM   #51
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Douglas Fir. West Coast? One of the few ones. I have a some Canadian friends and they are all "great ones" and live in different towns. So I don't have a clue, give me a hint.

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There is only "The Great One" and I moved to his town a couple years back, Brantford


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Old 08-10-2017, 04:11 AM   #52
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I'm a hillbilly from Indiana and I know who the great one is. Castleman, you need to get out more.


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Old 08-10-2017, 04:39 AM   #53
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I'm a hillbilly from Indiana and I know who the great one is. Castleman, you need to get out more.
Ha, I get out more than I thought, been there. But that was 1964. Dumb kid, took the long way from Detroit to Niagara Falls, and back. Googler works great.

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So I am confused, did a Canadian with a lot of foresight and good judgement plant a bunch of Red Fir, ( Canadian for Douglas fir), more than a few years back? That would qualify him as a Great One. I am sure you did not truck it out. It has been planted all over the world.

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Old 08-10-2017, 11:11 AM   #55
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The great one?? I always thought it should have been the "Great Two"!
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:17 AM   #56
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Ryan,
Knight Twister has it correct - "build a workshop twice as big as you think you need, it should hold at least 1/2 of your stuff."
IanJ's electric plan is about right, never enough electric outlets
I have 6" thick walls with foam-in-place insulation. Works excellent and quiet
I have used 3/4" PVC air lines at 120 lbs. for probably 20 years and never had a problem. Much easier to work with - have drains at all low spots
I put a wanted ad in the local paper for sliding patio doors and got much more response than I bargained for. I took them apart and used the double insulated glass for windows. South wall has 6 vertical panes approx. 3'x6' each. (Set the glass in the sun for an hour or so. If they fog up the seal is broken)
I have double bulb 8' fluorescent lighting spaced 6' apart on a 10' ceiling. I am in the process of switching to LED. Much more light and much cheaper to operate.
I have 3 ea. 3'x8' roll around work tables. Each is wired with two elect. outlets on each side. Only need one extension cord to the table instead of one cord for every appliance. I put everything I could on wheels and glad I did.
My only question is your plan to use steel for the walls. I have painted OSB and like it because I can add or remove shelving etc. very easily. I go to the local construction salvage yard for interior bifold doors as they make excellent shelves at $2 each.
Heat in floor is excellent. I could have had it as we later installed an outdoor wood furnace - wish I had know the plan from the start Probably the biggest complaint of my shop, the floors are cold and so are my feet.
I have a stereo system - no TV. Stereo I can listen as I work, TV, I have to stop to watch
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My auto mechanic has a big shop he heated with a furnace in Iowa. He said his feet were always cold in the winter. He installed radiant heat, natural gas heat in a tube on the ceiling and he said it made a huge difference on heating the feet.
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Old 08-12-2017, 02:19 PM   #57
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The radiant ceiling tube heaters use half as much fuel (or less) as a forced air furnace. My first shop was 1800 sq. ft., 16 ' ceiling, and had a propane furnace hung in one corner. As said, the floor and my feet were always cold, and the ceiling was 90deg F. My shop now is 6000 ft. sq., 16' ceiling, with a tube heater in the ceiling. Not only does it cost less to heat the big shop, the comfort level is exponentially better, and close to the same temp from floor to ceiling. But, if I had it to do again, I would go with floor heating. The radiant tubes work best with high ceiling, they will work with low, but if you are under them working, you will get hot. The problem I have with it, is I can't keep an airplane under the tube, elevated, like on floats or on a storage lift to make usable space under it. I am planing on "bending" the tube and relocating half of it to clear up ceiling space for that reason. They are less expensive to buy and install than floor systems though.
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Careful with radiant tube heaters over fabric airplanes! I have seen warnings in the installation instructions for extra clearance over aircraft. Radiant floor is the best.
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I plan on installing radiant floor. I managed to pickup 4 x 18 evacuated tube hydronic panels at an auction. They will supplement an LP gas boiler system.
Total heat load required for the shop was calculated at 16900 BTU/hr. That is if I was going to keep it at room temperature, which I am not going to do.

I plan to heat the concrete slab all winter to about 10 C/55 F. The back work area that is enclosed with a loft I plan to install a second heat zone that uses a hydronic to air heater to bring that small area up to warmer temps is required.

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Visit your friendly neighborhood Costco for a set or three of their industrial racks. You can never have too many shelves in a shop!

https://www.costco.com/Whalen-Indust...100341995.html

The in-store price was much lower than the one posted on their website.

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Visit your friendly neighborhood Costco for a set or three of their industrial racks. You can never have too many shelves in a shop!

https://www.costco.com/Whalen-Indust...100341995.html

The in-store price was much lower than the one posted on their website.
That is sage advice for all...


Costco.com USA:
https://www.costco.com/TRINITY-Doubl...100126118.html
Costco.ca:
https://www.costco.ca/Trinity-Double...ccSpyqVJnDQ21V

Price difference $19 bucks with today's exchange + 13% tax....

I will make my own.

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Old 08-14-2017, 01:40 AM   #62
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I'm not sure what the current exchange rate is so I took a guess. Using C$ = .75 US$ the cost of those bin systems are within 5 bucks. Like I said I'm not sure what the current exchange is.
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I'm not sure what the current exchange rate is so I took a guess. Using C$ = .75 US$ the cost of those bin systems are within 5 bucks. Like I said I'm not sure what the current exchange is.
You are very close... $240 vs. $259 after today's exchange. I will correct my post.
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I love Makita tools, the only thing I had to do was replace cords.
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I love Makita tools, the only thing I had to do was replace cords.
Makita was the first Cordless Drill I owned still works great! The battery; not so good as the new ones out there.


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