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Old 09-19-2017, 03:08 PM   #1
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Anybody have a recommendation for ADS-B upgrade in a christen eagle

Currently have a Microair T2000SFL Transponder

Potential issues
- Limited space
- can't reach panel from rear seat
- will there be an issue with aerobics (G's and unusual attitudes)


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Old 09-19-2017, 04:15 PM   #2
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My solution in my Eagle. Trig com and xponder + powerflarm adsb in and out capable


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Old 09-19-2017, 04:34 PM   #3
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Is that a PowerFlarm Core? I have the Portable in my glider and an extra portable that I may use in Pitts
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Old 09-19-2017, 06:19 PM   #4
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The biplane pilots I know locally are both planning on a GDL-82. Electrically, goes in line between your existing transponder and antenna, and you add a GPS antenna for position.

Ships later this year at $1700 and change - very small, should be easy to find a spot to hide it and won't really stress the mounting point when pulling/pushing G's.
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Yes, it's a core with a double flarm antenna and adsb in. All signals are visualised on a butterfly display
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Be patient..... Uavionix is currently developing a unit that is a stand alone GPS, ADSB out and LED position light unit that attaches to your wing tip nav light. Small blade antenna is built in to the unit. GPS antenna built into the top of the unit. Simple 10 minute installation, configure with an app on your cell phone or laptop and fly. It sniffs your current transponder interrogation data and automatically uses the baro and trans code for adsb. Testing is underway and it works great. I'm told they will have exp version for sale by end of the year and certified version by early next year. Search uavionix sky beacon for their info.
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or their product called echoUAT... link
mine should be installed in the next few weeks...
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:56 PM   #8
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I would check Ilevil aviation as well. I will be using that, I have a Sandia 165x transponder and Ilevil has a neat little transponder looking antenna with the gps internal.
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I would check Ilevil aviation as well. I will be using that, I have a Sandia 165x transponder and Ilevil has a neat little transponder looking antenna with the gps internal.
Ilevil indeed has a nice unit, it does not however provide ADS-B in...
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Now for us completely uneducated, who fall asleep at the beginning of any federally written document, individuals... What is the requirement? IN and OUT by 2020? Out only?
The options seem to be endless and I haven't been able to discern what is what.
All my junk is Experimental.
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Out only.

Experimental does not require a certified ads-b out.

I have a Trig TT21 transponder, a Trig experimental ADS-B out (TN72) and a Rami gps antenna (ebay for 125 new).

not an Eagle though....
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I'm just going to stay out of the airspace that requires that stuff. That way I don't need any of it and I can go where I want (More or less) anyway.
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Unless really necessary, i.e., you have to travel in certain airspace, why bother? Just added weight for little or no benefit.
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Inside the 30 mi SFRA it's a necessity. Wouldn't if I didn't have to.
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The benefit is that other planes can see you on the "fish finder." Increased traffic awareness for everyone sounds like a really good thing to me, but I agree that's a lot of money and fuss to help an abstract other person. I upgraded the Champ because I do a lot of flying in the 30 nm Mode C veil, and it might even be a 1:1 investment in terms of selling price.
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Check the vans forum to read about all the angst and grief some participants are having when the picture doesn't match reality.

Eyes and head on a gimbal have worked for me in almost 50 years of flying and the General Aviation trend has been on a numerical decline since the eighties.

So where's the beef?

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So where's the beef?
One thing to remember, is that before ADS-B everyone was flying with their head on the swivel, now, and I'm just making up numbers, 50% of the people will fly with their head inside looking at traffic as shown by ADS-B receiver... those that are only looking outside will need to look "harder"...
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My opinion only!!! But what I've seen so far is a lot of worry about airplanes I never see. Not saying they weren't there, just never saw them. So does that equate to much fuss about nothing, maybe? However remember where I fly I/we wont see as much activity in a month as you might see in one day in the NE corridor or southern Cali. And it is what it is! ADS-B is coming, like it or not.
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The benefit is that other planes can see you on the "fish finder." Increased traffic awareness for everyone sounds like a really good thing to me, but I agree that's a lot of money and fuss to help an abstract other person. I upgraded the Champ because I do a lot of flying in the 30 nm Mode C veil, and it might even be a 1:1 investment in terms of selling price.
They can only see you if you are equipped with one. We all know many will not be. So IMHO it's just another distraction from avoiding a possible accident. That's why in most states it's against the law to text while driving, your not looking where your going, but it's ok to stare at a window inside your cockpit and not look where your flying? To me it makes little sense for the average GA guy fling his bug smasher at minimum altitudes. For some I'm sure it will give comfort to, but it will certainly not eliminate midairs. I'm not being argumentative just expresseing a point of view.
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Levil aviation -3AW unit provides ads in and at sun n fun or Oshkosh I was holding there new unit called the beacon which provides ads b out. It looks like a transponder, really cool unit. I just checked there website and they show it but they are saying they can't keep up with demand so they are not shipping any units. I should have bought it but I figure by 2020 they will have refined it and made a smaller and better one. I'm holding out for another year, they will get better and less expensive in my opinion.
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They can only see you if you are equipped with one. We all know many will not be. So IMHO it's just another distraction from avoiding a possible accident.

This statement is not correct. All aircraft with a transponder are displayed traffic on an ADSB IN equipped aircraft. If they have ADSB installed you will see the traffic aircraft to aircraft, but if the aircraft doesn't have adsb installed, it is transmitted from the ground tower to the adsb in unit using their transponder/radar information. ADSB installed aircraft will see everyone (except anyone without a transponder)
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One thing to remember, is that before ADS-B everyone was flying with their head on the swivel, now, and I'm just making up numbers, 50% of the people will fly with their head inside looking at traffic as shown by ADS-B receiver... those that are only looking outside will need to look "harder"...

Makes the argument FOR ADSD out..

Let's say that 50% of the guys NEVER look outside, then 1/2 the traffic will NEVER see you, let's hope they aren't flying a fast mover that you can't get out of they way with.

When I was instructing I remember having to carry a freaking blanket to cover the instrument panel for some students!
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They can only see you if you are equipped with one. We all know many will not be. So IMHO it's just another distraction from avoiding a possible accident.

This statement is not correct. All aircraft with a transponder are displayed traffic on an ADSB IN equipped aircraft. If they have ADSB installed you will see the traffic aircraft to aircraft, but if the aircraft doesn't have adsb installed, it is transmitted from the ground tower to the adsb in unit using their transponder/radar information. ADSB installed aircraft will see everyone (except anyone without a transponder)
What if like my plane they don't have a transponder either? A lot don't.
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Makes the argument FOR ADSD out..

Let's say that 50% of the guys NEVER look outside, then 1/2 the traffic will NEVER see you, let's hope they aren't flying a fast mover that you can't get out of they way with.

When I was instructing I remember having to carry a freaking blanket to cover the instrument panel for some students!
Exactly!
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