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Old 10-22-2017, 09:02 PM   #1
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Verner has a new 9 cylinder radial in the works, gives the Rotec 2800 some competition.

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Old 10-23-2017, 04:31 AM   #2
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Yep, following the news with interest. I have the impression that Verner knows what they're doing, and despite having "made the choice" to go for an O-320, my heart still holds out for a radial.


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Yea, that would be something to change my mind and maybe keep the Duster. Like receive a phone call from my old friend/junk dealer.....

"Hey Jack, cleaning out an old building and found an old round airplane engine. Has a military OH tag on it , says it's an R-550. You can have it for $500 if you come and get it. "

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Ian, I don't have the same impression. Maybe they got smarter, but the Verner I flew was so bad I refused to let one be installed in my airplane, one month later the one I had flown lost the prop when the crankshaft sheared off!
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Ian, I don't have the same impression. Maybe they got smarter, but the Verner I flew was so bad I refused to let one be installed in my airplane, one month later the one I had flown lost the prop when the crankshaft sheared off!
Just curious, what model of engine and when was this?

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the Verner I flew was so bad I refused to let one be installed in my airplane
What was bad about it?

I ask because I've been watching the Verner developments for a while... their 5-banger looks good, but I don't want the be an engine development test bed. Tough to find anyone who's actually seen/flown one.
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It was probably 10 years ago, maybe they have learned. I was told they had years of experience behind them, ain't marketing great!I flew their 2 cylinder opposed. It was in a Merlin, kind of an upgraded Karatoo. Their "dealer" from Czech wanted to put them in my Light Star and sell them. I test flew the Merlin for them after the engine installation. It shook so bad below 2000 RPM I thought it would do structural damage to the mount. They said just start it and go quickly above 2T and it will be ok!
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The dealer later told me it failed because there were no radius's on the crank and that in the future they will get rid of any sharp corners??? No one with experience would do that. I just don't want people to loose money or get hurt being the test program. Hype is great, but in the 40+ years I've been doing this I have seen many "new & better" engines die. I know I sound pessimistic, but until a new engine design has many thousands of hours on many engines, I won't trust my life with it.
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Could be all marketing, certainly, but I didn't get my impression from Verner, I got it from other folks on aviation forums. They could have gotten it from marketing, of course. The thing that suggested the engines might be the real deal was this page:

http://www.bueckerundfunk.com/bf%201...%20classic.htm

I didn't imagine anyone would base a commercial design off the motor unless they were pretty certain of it, though I see now that the Clubmann Classic first flew in 2016 with the Verner uncowled as in the picture (translation service linked below translated that wrong, the German site says, "Für die ersten Tests wurde das UL im Retrodesign ohne Radschuhe und ohne Verkleidung des Verner Sternmotors geflogen," which translates correctly as: "For the first test flights, the ultralight retro-design was flown without wheelpants and without cowling around the Verner radial engine"), so it might be an over-eager designer rather than a wise designer who picked that motor. First flight report:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url
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Verner has a new 9 cylinder radial in the works, gives the Rotec 2800 some competition.

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Interesting. Werner is quoting 160 hp for the 9 cylinder which puts it head to head with the Rotec R3600. I'd like to see price and weight comparisons too.
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Yep, following the news with interest. I have the impression that Verner knows what they're doing, and despite having "made the choice" to go for an O-320, my heart still holds out for a radial.
I had to make the same choice about 10 years ago when I built my Spacewalker. I decided to go with the Rotec 9 cylinder 150 hp radial, and modified the airframe and undercarriage to suit. It was a straightforward conversion, and no weight issues as there were Lycoming O-320 powered Spacewalkers flying with similar or greater MTOW. As it turned out, the conversion to the RR transformed the aircraft into a true classic, making all the right noises laced with plenty of smoke on start up, exhilarating performance, excellent reliability and of course, that open cockpit experience.
I can only suggest going with your heart. I love my Lycomings, but the radial is just something else. Everyone comments. If there is anything I can do to encourage you, just ask.....
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Even though your missing a wing,, I don't expect anyone would mind if you posted a pic of your Spacewalker. From your avatar it looks like a very classy airplane!
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Even though your missing a wing,, I don't expect anyone would mind if you posted a pic of your Spacewalker. From your avatar it looks like a very classy airplane!
Hey Spacewalkers are cool,I built one
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I think Spacewalkers are cool too, kinda modern Spezio Tu-holer which I know something about having been the 3rd owner of the first one and finished #399.

Not to hijack the thread but what I'd like is to hang a Menasco on my Tu-holer which was Tony's original intent. But I suspect the Menasco would be near impossible to support?(I see parts wanted more often than for sale). OTOH a radial would really be neat.

Yes please post a picture of your Spacewalker.

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I'd go back to open cockpit with either inline or radial.
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Menasco - You would have better luck using an LOM or even a Tigre, or Gypsy Major. You can get parts for them if you look.

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Ha, you beat me to it. Yep, that's the Spacewalker RR. A biplane in everyway except for the upper wing !
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Just brainstorming Wes, 99% likely to always be a Lycoming. Agree Menasco would be last choice unless one had a pile of NOS parts.

Still like to find a Warner but I'd hang it on the biplane.


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