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Old 08-05-2016, 12:58 PM   #1
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Has anyone done a comparison and figured out the lightest (and good) smoke pump available?

How about different tank material to keep the tank light?


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1 lb is the weight of the one I used.
http://www.pumpagents.com/pdf/Shurfl...100-009-21.pdf


smoke system how to instruction
http://www.berkut13.com/smoke/smoke_system_article.pdf


nice injectors:
http://www.smoke-system-helper.com/


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My Pitts has an Art Scholl system which uses a Holley pump. I have used the Sureflo pumps in the past with good service. I always wanted to use air pressure, no pump at all. The Yaks are well suited for this as they have an onboard compressor.

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Build a tank from fiberglass or aluminium. The roto-cast plastic ones are anchors!
If I remember I pop some pics of the one I am putting in the Eagle.
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Do you have more info? 337 on the Holley setup in the Pitts?
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The CJ Systems smoke pumps with the brushless motors are the lightest we have used. Worked great in Red Bull Air Races but I'm not sure if they are building them anymore.
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Do you have more info? 337 on the Holley setup in the Pitts?
I have seen the 337 in the paperwork, I will have to dig around a bit.
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Id really appreciate it if you have it.
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Aviat sells the Holley pumps for the S-2B and S-2C. They just don't have the Holley sticker on them.
They charge $150 to remove the decal.
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Thanks,

What solenoid do Aviat use with the Holley?
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The CJ Systems smoke pumps with the brushless motors are the lightest we have used. Worked great in Red Bull Air Races but I'm not sure if they are building them anymore.
According to CJ's website they still sell smoke pumps. Let me look into it further.
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My Pitts has an Art Scholl system which uses a Holley pump. I have used the Sureflo pumps in the past with good service. I always wanted to use air pressure, no pump at all. The Yaks are well suited for this as they have an onboard compressor.

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Thanks, do you a model/part number by any chance?
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Thanks, do you a model/part number by any chance?

I am searching my paperwork. Will post when and if found. I may be able to get a picture of the pump.

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Here shots of the tank- Filler is back end of 'Mag-lite' type flashlight (idea stolen from Death Trap). It can easily be used a hose barb if I decide to add remote fill.
I prefabbed panels on a sheet of plate glass & tabbed them together. Rounded corners used PVC pipe as mold (mould if you are fro m UK)
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Here shots of the tank- Filler is back end of 'Mag-lite' type flashlight (idea stolen from Death Trap). It can easily be used a hose barb if I decide to add remote fill.
I prefabbed panels on a sheet of plate glass & tabbed them together. Rounded corners used PVC pipe as mold (mould if you are fro m UK)


Very nice! This looks like fiberglass? How much does it weigh? Capacity?
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For the pump, what are you using for smoke oil? Do you have the 009-21 or 000-21?

Edit: I think I have my answer from the article you posted.

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Do you have any pics of your system in action?
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Hi Nate, I have received very good reviews of the density of smoke I produce with my O-320. I used Marvin Homsley's nozzles which I think make the system really work well. Also, I inject the smoke oil into the #3&4 two exhaust stacks before they converge. First convergence is 1&3 and 2&4... then those combine into a single. That smoke oil has a lot of time to spend in the exhaust which ensures it gets vaporized. I do not get smoke oil all over the belly of my plane. Flow rate is about 3/4 Gal/Min.
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I checked my logbooks. Here are the components I used.

Shurflo 100-000-21 Single Fixture 12VDC Delivery Pump,Rated for Intermittent Use

1/4" Brass 12VDC Electric Solenoid Valve Water Air B20N B20V 12V volt dc

Marvin Homsley Injector Nozzles

50 mesh strainer finger located at smoke oil tank pickup

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Well the tank was light until I started added oil - I stopped @ 5 gallons, might get another 1/2 gallon. Will let you know how the home brew nozzles work this weekend.

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Nice, Just got an Andair smoke / transfer pump. Wow this is small and light.

Its ~1/2lb (250g) and 5" long. 45gph but of course not cheap. Appears superbly made.

Gonna experiment this winter see how well this will work.

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