ACS got me.

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    ioneater

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    Bought the Cobalt 115 bit set they offer for $159+shipping. They do not show any type of branding on the website at least that I could find in the listing. Fool me once...... If I wanted a set of cheap Chinese bits to replace my cheap Chinese bits I would have gone to the HF store a mile down the road for $109. Dammit

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    They sold you HB drill bits?
     
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    WOW! That's F'd up. Not good at all.

    I'd write Jim Irwin and tell him your dissatisfaction with it.

    jimirwin at aircraftspruce.com
     
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    Ugh, lame. Send them back. Reselling HF crap is a terrible move.
     
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    They have a liberal return policy. Use it, even if return shipping is on you. Then as suggested, let the mgt know.
     
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    I do plan to return them. I'll wait a couple of days for my anger to subside. When I unpacked them my wife asked me if I was ok, lol. She hasn't seen me silent and that shade of red before! I'm a pretty laid back dude.

    Well, where would you guys suggest I look for a quality set of bits? Doesn't need to be a set of 115. Guess I'll read over the tool thread again that Ian started.
     
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    That sucks!

    I went looking:
    Cobalt drill kit, 115 pc.

    Harbor Freight = $109. Aircraft Spruce = $159. McMaster Carr = $600
    Probably McMaster Carr drills are from a different manufacturer, I hope!
     
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    yeah but the harbor freight drill bits that ACS sells is probably made to ACS's exacting standards.....
     
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    http://www.cleavelandtool.com
     
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    Check out production tool supply.
    You can buy in sets or individual drills and all other cutting tools. They have a bunch of other things! I have used them a lot for the stuff I need.
     
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    One thing I am learning, 135 degree split point drills are the way to go. For cleaner holes and less wandering.
    I read that in some of the descriptions of the drill bits.

    I do know that cheap dill bits suck when trying to cut through stainless or thick steel.
     
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    I recommend The Yard Store. They sell a nice American made cobalt set, but it’s about $370. Use cobalt drills for steel and HSS drills for aluminum. The cobalt drills have a larger web thickness than HSS, making it more difficult to remove material. Also, Aluminium is slightly abrasive and with the larger web thickness of cobalt, the drill won’t stay sharp as long. You can buy a nice American HSS drill set for about $275. Viking HSS drills are great and worth the money. I found the cheap drill sets to be a waste of money as half of them are usually dull or wobble.
     
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    For the past 25 years I have used the 135* split point bits from

    kbctools.com/products/CUTTING TOOLS/DRILLS/JOBBERS DRILLS/83.aspx
    .ca if in Canada

    TDPilot may be right that HSS could last longer in aluminum, I don't know, but I don't want to stock different types of bits. I have tried everything, there are many variations, wide land, high helix, parabolic flute....I haven't found the 135*SP cobalts to dull faster, and in tough steel (4130) they last longer. I don't recommend buying a "set". There are really only a handful of sizes you will need, spend your money on good bits of the sizes you need, and get a few of each of them.

    And if you order from kbc, ask for their print catalog, it's a great reference, the first 45 pages of 1082, are drill bits. They give you the choice of high end bits or kbc brand, could be Chinese but often are Brazil or Europe. As an example, a #30 kbc is .87, the higher quality is 2.47. I have found the cheaper ones are way above the HF type quality, and more than precise enough for aircraft work, those are what I buy.
     
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    Like RMaxwell, I have been buying my bits from MSC.

    Although not as egregious as receiving Harbor Freight "tools" from ACS, I have received parts that had Aviall paperwork and packaging. After that happened a couple of times, I made sure that I was checking Aviall before ACS.
     
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    I looked this up on ACS website and noticed there are no reviews on the bit set. Perhaps that would be an opportunity to warn others.

    This set would only be $87.99 at your local HF using a 20% off Super Coupon...sorry couldn't resist.
     
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    As far as the angle of the grind, yes, a 135° split point will not walk as bad as a 118°. The key to a good hole is to use a center drill or spot drill first. With the proper depth, you'll also have a nice, clean chamfer on the hole as well.
     
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    I like Mcmaster Carr for cutting tools and such ( drill bits, endmills, reamers, countersinks. MSC is usually too expensive for the same item.

    Center drill first and sharp bits along with speeds, chip clearance, and lube, are key to accurate hole drilling and location.

    Remember that drills never drill the actual size. Need to ream after to get you an exact diameter and roundness.

    A Drill Doctor sharpener is a great tool for any shop.
     
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    You don't want 115 drills of all different sizes, but 115 drills of a handful of sizes. :D
     

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