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  1. Feb 27, 2018 #1

    RKO

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    Looking at going with Garmin like the 330 or 345 which apparently will talk to my Area 660 GPS and my iPad.

    Lets see some pics and opinions on what other Eagle owners are doing?
     
  2. Feb 27, 2018 #2

    Dave Baxter

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    I would like to see some as well, least complex, and least expensive for our small biplanes? Dave
     
  3. Feb 28, 2018 #3

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    Crickets........


    Please do not all reply at once! One at a time! Single file line please! HA!
     
  4. Feb 28, 2018 #4

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    Lots of good used KT76A transponders stacked up in avionics shops gathering dust. Get a shop to throw in a couple of them along with a deal to buy the Garmin GDL-82. Some are advertising $1,795 installed but I'm sure that's for a Wichita or FLA built variety.
     
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    Not an Eagle owner, but it depends on current equipment and what your desires are.
    Me, I intend to use the uAvionix stuff with my old radios. If I had higher end equipment I would consider an upgrade. But when the cost of the radios is worth more than the airplane, I don't see it.
     
  6. Feb 28, 2018 #6

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    uAvionics SkyBeacon (experimental) and Garmin GDL-82 (certified) are the obvious choices if you already have a good transponder. If you don't, the Stratus ESG (certified) is still the best choice as an all-in-one transponder/ADS-B/WaaS GPS box. If you already have a GPS and want to use it, it's time to do research, 'cause there are a lot of choices out there. I have found the AOPA ADS-B chooser to be useful:

    https://www.aopa.org/go-fly/aircraft-and-ownership/ads-b/ads-b-selector
     
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    I went with a GDL-82 setup .....probably upgrade my Narco 150 with a Digital Garmin GTX-337 as they are selling for $500 used but "certified".

    The GDL-82 was the way to go overall price and Garmin quality/support.
     
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    I just installed the Uavionix Echo UAT. Works great and provides adsb in and out. $1400. Weighs less than half a pound, wiring etc included.
     
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    Any announcements at KOSH regarding new ADSB options?
     
  11. Aug 26, 2018 #11

    Mark Barrieault

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    Gents,

    I installed the skyBeacon on my SkyBolt in less than a hour and a half from start to finish. All you need is a screwdriver, wire crimpers and a smart phone
    to down load the app and pair the SkyBeacon to your aircraft’s transponder.

    This website, http://www.avionictools.com/icao.php will give you the ICAO codes need to complete the installation.

    Hope this helps the community.
     
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    The “new”, “TailBeacon” is looking good to me. I assume it’s the same as the wingtip one just located on tail. It keeps things uniform looking I think. Anyone try one of them yet? I’m still waiting till I actually have the Range Duster running to worry about ADSB but I do like to try and know what my options are. I know I don’t want to spend $3000plus on a new transponder.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2018 #13

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    Nice only problem is, I don’t have Nav lights... :-(
     
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    Just to add more mud to the ADS-B waters.... AWST reports that:

    The Defense Department conducts GPS interference for purposes such as system testing and design and during military exercises, to replicate a realistic scenario in which aircraft navigate and weapons systems operate in GPS-degraded environments.

    The number of events has been increasing annually, and the events can be "hundreds of miles wide". For reference, a coverage circle that is 100 miles wide affects an area of nearly 8000 sq miles.

    AWST states, "Loss of GPS (or degradation of GPS reliability) in an aircraft equipped to report its position via ADS-B causes that aircraft to be LOST as a target" for systems looking for the ADS-B signal from the aircraft ("in" systems).

    This presents a problem for the FAA's strategy to decommission some Secondary Surveillance Radars as ADS-B becomes the primary means of surveillance. The FAA plans to decommission 80% of all terminal radar systems.

    The Tactical Operations Committee has informed the FAA that the FAA's current GPS resiliency plan, namely the reliance on the VOR network, is INSUFFICIENT to maintain the continuity of their NexGen Airspace plans.


    There's much more to the article, but my take-away and comments are thus:
    • The FAA infrastructure is already insufficient to move forward with the plan to put the air traffic control burden on pilots via NexGen.
    • The FAA already allows a single GPS unit to be the sole source of navigation in an aircraft.
    • DOD is dicking with the GPS signals and putting flights at risk, and the FAA has no authority to stop it.
    • The ADS-B implementation is a flawed and dangerous means of air traffic control.
    • The FAA wants to cut their expenditures on infrastructure, but I bet they don't want to take a budget cut.
     
  16. Aug 27, 2018 #16

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    It is the DOD's signal. What is also interesting is the DOD has told the FAA that their planes will not be compliant as a fleet and they don't really want it, so they can't be watched anytime they are just flying around.
     
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    None of that changes the fact that the FAA is going to be handing out fines if you're flying in transponder airspace without ADS-B Out come 2020. They've said over and over that the date isn't changing. Just because DoD is getting tetchy about how their tech is used doesn't change the regs for civilian pilots.
     
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    One flip of "the switch" by the DoD for national security reasons and we'll be back to the early days of GPS where accuracy was inconsistent...intentionally. We had to load crypto keys called p/y codes into the EGI in order to obtain a +/- 1 meter degree of accuracy for tactical navigation and target designation. That requirement for keys to obtain the high accuracy went away sometime during the Clinton era but we still had to load them in case the switch was flipped again. The low power GPS signals are easy to jam locally and can be spoofed, tricking the receiver into thinking it's somewhere else essentially. I love the RNAV GPS/LPV approaches we use now but I think it is a potentially weak link to rely so much on GPS without a solid secondary source for external navaids. God forbid we go back to a map and compass and actually have to look outside for landmarks!
     
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    Boeing/Honeywell were ready to take out the IRS receivers and just have a vertical platform for attitude and use solely GPS signals... Several of the International FAA counterparts and carriers said NO WAY.. they rightly were not going to be solely and daily dependent on another country for their airplanes navigation accuracy. We’re going to have to decide what’s more important. My darn cell phone knows more accurately where it is (even with the gps off) than our old way of navigating...
     
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