Discussion in 'Acrosport' started by smizo, Jun 6, 2017.
Edit this later......
Ok, let's start part 5 with the paperwork before we get to the real fun part..... first flight!
So I had a great experience going through the FAA and MIDO instead of using a DAR. I would highly recommend this as it's free, and at least our Feds are great to work with! I contacted them about a month ago to get this process started and he sent me a "care package" to fill out. This consisted of the following:
8130-6 application for us airworthiness certificate.
8130-12 eligibility statement amateur built aircraft (notorized)
Program Letter (FAA template)
Amateur info package (FAA template)
Amateur aircraft info data sheet (FAA template)
Fuel flow test results (FAA template)
Weight and Balance
Here's my forms:
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Yes, an AD search for applicable components is required. You can argue this till you're blue in the face of you want........ or you can just do one because known failures don't care if it's experimental or not and the Feds require it.... So I did one for my engine and mags, as that's all that they would apply to.
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Cool Beans! Thanks for the write up.
Good info. I think its good you used the FAA. They are paid for this through our tax dollars. You did good by being prepared and patient. The cost of DAR's is going up every day. You should've bragged more about the carbon fiber on the build questionnaire. Hope to see your ship in person.
Thanks! Yea figured I'd get some of my tax dollars back instead of spending more money. They were great to work with, I can't believe more people don't go with the FAA. It couldn't have gone smoother. The inspector was Johnny on the spot with answers to all my questions and getting info to me. The DAR I contacted initially wanted $750. That's a lot of gas.....
Wing fairings primed today, white then yellow tomorrow. Then I can mask them Friday and maybe finish this weekend.......
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What! No Pink....my wife will be disappointed.....again!
Our local FSDO will not do E-AB airworthiness inspections. They pass the business on to their retired inspector/DARs. My airplane was the last one allowed, and that was because the inspector was a personal friend who had watched the building process from beginning to end. An A&P/IA in our EAA chapter applied for DAR status and was refused because "We have enough already"...translation: It would take business away from our buddies.
This build has been the model of professionalism that the rest of us have looked up to, stick with you commitment as you get closer. You know exactly what has to be done, just do that and don't rush anything and tell us all about it afterwards. Not that think you are in any risk of doing anything different, but the temptation to do the first flight before you are ready can be great.
Not a critic, but my DAR told me to have the airplane ready to fly and then take it apart for inspection which I did. Inspected on Dec. 11, 2014, I made first flight on Dec. 14. Only thing I did other than replace fairings etc .was to double check fuel filters. BTW, my DAR charged $365 and did a lot of legwork because a new inspector had taken over at the FAA office.
Whatever don't fly until you both are 100%.
Oh yeah? My DAR told me to have it ready to fly and Prepare a log entry stating I had performed an inspection and found it in condition for safe flight.
So in essence I did the inspection, he hung the paper.
He did check for compliance with minimum requirements; placards, w+b, markings, and completion of forms.
These guys were very professional, and believe it or not , fun! Our local fsdo can't do airworthiness sign offs so they came up from the Harrisburg mido. Basically, they looked at the controls for direction and operation, the fuel system and engine installation. I think these guys get a bad rap. Our guys at the fsdo are great too. Ive been dealing with them for years with work and don't have one bad thing to say. Maybe we just got some good eggs out here in PA!
They also said when I'm ready to send this silly Russian thing I got through exhibition, they will work with me through that as well. They really got a kick out of that thing!
Ditto what Rob said. I did the inspection and signed the log so it had to actually be ready. Then I had to make another log entry because the 30 days ran out waiting for my DAR and the MIDO to get on the same page.
Chris. I was also working with the Harrisburg MIDO same as in 2011 with my Spezio Tu-holer. Problem was the inspector who did the Spezio and had been doing the E-AB's @ MIDO 44 for several years retired in Nov. 2015 just as I was ready to go. The new inspector had to come up to speed and he and my DAR it seems reshuffled the deck a couple times.....all in getting the paperwork right.
Whatever, I ended-up with about two weeks sitting on my hands and therefore I was REALLY ready, I used the time to complete some little things I might have put off. Like paint. Couldn't paint in Dec. and confess that my fairings/spats are still not painted.
I have high praise for the MIDO and the FSDO guys too @ Baltimore. Normally I would have had to go to Baltimore to get my repairman certificate but two of them happened to be doing an inspection of the 3 western Maryland airports 1W3 included so they hand delivered it. I don't know if they went to Garrett Co. but do know they didn't do much at Cumberland. I think they wanted out of the office and/or just did me a favor? They were very interested in my airplanes and as you guys know I just keep going on......I'm worse face to face..... All of a sudden they realized what time it was and the were going to hit the traffic going back....
My predictions after Smizo gets this plane to Oshkosh:
1. One hour after arrival the IAC asks to move the AS2S to the IAC pavilion
2. Smizo loses count of the times someone says “THATS an Acrosport?!?”
3. Aircraft is judged to win “Grand Champion Plans Built”
4. Cover shot and feature article in “Sport Aviation”
5. Biplaneforum is overrun with new members digging into 7 years of this build.
Any other predictions?
Cold beer and a good time will be had by all.
6. His head gets so big, he won't associate with the rest of us low lifes.
He'll be deserving of of the GC award.
My prediction?? He'll sneak in to Oshkosh, park the airplane and disappear. No signage, no "Judge Me" sticker, nothing. Judges and photographers will be looking for him all week.
Chris, you ought to think about putting all 5 of these threads into a book.
Lots of great info throughout!
Again, congrats and I can't wait for the flight reports.
Hi Doug, that's a great idea..... ill do that in my spare time
bill, you don't know how close you are........
I really would do a sign with details. It's fun to answer questions (or I enjoy it anyway, to a point. But you can't be next to it all the time and probably will need a break from all of us question askers ). Another thing a sign would do is let others know what parts you can offer for their own AS2S. I'm more of a "classic" aircraft guy at heart but I'm sorry, if I ever get the aerobatic bug...this is exactly what I would want. And if the hints of a Wolf like wing kit for AcroSport 2 becomes a reality...watch out folks. This could be THE plane to build for the aerobatic minded guy. I'm super excited to hear flight performance of this one with all the sleekness and lightness VS how a stock AcroSport 2 performs. Congratulations CHRIS! This is a huge accomplishment and I'm very happy and excited for you.
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