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Lotahp1

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I'm amazed at such cheap aircraft for sale these days. If I was in the Pitts S1S I'd have to ask for more details...engine etc etc.
 

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Sounds like an angry ex wife or husband. The description says it all. "red with white stripe".
 

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When I'm board at work I sometime search the "All Craigslist" and came up with this today.

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/for/4272964005.html

I know nothing about it other than hat can be found searching the tail number N7GH and have no connection but though I would pass it along.

Dan
If anybody on the list is interested, PM me and maybe I can go check it out Friday. I'll be 65 or so miles away.
DL
 
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thanks, DL, I may take you up on that. I just spoke with the seller, David, and he's going to get me fresh hi-res pics, and we'll see....

He says it's an 0-320 with ~840 hrs on it, all logs, NDH. no starburst on top, unfortunately, but hey. metal prop.
 

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Thanks, Dan, I saw that, too.

Here's the link to photos: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jsicc535bruxfd8/x4bus7Rq0C

It looks super-stock, which is fine, but 900+ hours on a 150hp 0-320. I can't tell from the photos when that last o-haul was done, but it may be as long ago as the recover, in 1988. Compressions at last annual were low 70s.

So I dunno. It's a cheap way to get into this game, but I'm thinking I'd quickly end up spending $20k on an new engine, plus $5k-10k on a new prop, particularly if I wanted more ponies up front.

Or am I being too critical?

I love the S1S and Pitts in general, but it sure seems like most used in competition have been modded to some extent, some heavily - see the article on Jason Flood in the latest IAC Aerobatics mag. So, would I be better off to buy an Ultimate 10-200, e.g., the one currently on Barnstormers, that essentially has all the mods and modernizations from the get-go? But then, why doesn't *everyone* buy an Ultimate instead of S1S? There are so few Ultimates around, and some strong opinions about them, for and against.
 

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JDM,

Keep in mind the Pitts S-1 series has been around since the 40's I believe when Curtis built the original. The Ultimate series didn't show up until the late 70's or early 80's, so naturally just looking at those facts you would expect there to be more Pitts's around.

Secondly, like we discussed, back in the 60's and even 70's the Pitts S1 was the top dog winning world unlimited competitions, that's when Gordon Price set out to create his own design to compete and beat the S1, unfortunately by the time the 80's rolled around so did the monoplanes, including the Laser's, and Extra 230's. The monoplanes really took over the competition scene and quickly outdated the S1 and Ultimate aircraft. So unfortunately, although a good design the Ultimate was just late to the party and they never really took on because they were already losing ground fast in the competition scene to the monoplanes, just like how electronics phase out so quickly nowadays with the onslaught of new technology.

I can guarantee you if you fly it you won't be dissappointed. The Ultimate, just like an S1, has way more capability and performance than 90% of pilots could ever extract out of it. And in the right hands is just as capable and competative as any other aerobatic aircraft. Your not going to fly unlimited in it, but you won't do that in an S1 either. You can kick some serious intermediate ass, and be competitive in advanced with it.
 
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I just looked at the pictures posted in the link above for the S1, two things I notice is no fuel sight tube, and it has heel brakes.....
 

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I was curious as to whether it was a genuine S1S or a home built S1C with S wings. The shape of the vertical fin isn't quite as nice as what I expect from a factory airplane. I would actually prefer the heel brakes if they are properly located.

N number search says it is a Home Built S1 with a 1972 manufacture date, so it is a 42 year old airplane.
 
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I was curious as to whether it was a genuine S1S or a home built S1C with S wings.
I was thinking along the same lines as well. The tail group appears to have pin hinges rather than strap hinges. From what I've encountered, that typically points towards a converted "C".
 

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JDM,

Secondly, like we discussed, back in the 60's and even 70's the Pitts S1 was the top dog winning world unlimited competitions, that's when Frank Price set out to create his own design to compete and beat the S1..
Gordon Price perhaps?
DL
 

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Ahh, crap, yes, that's what I meant, not enough coffee this morning...
 

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Ahh, crap, yes, that's what I meant, not enough coffee this morning...
Good. Otherwise I would have thought there had been a multi-decade shift in the space-time continuum or that I'd had too much coffee ;-)
DL
 

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I just finished reading one of the latest issues of Sport Aerobatics the other day which had all the non-flying awards in it, and for some reason I had the Frank Price Cup stuck in my mind when I was typing that post....good catch DL!
 
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I'm not Dr Phil or anything but after analyzing your posts on what you would like to have this airplane is far from it. I think you are looking for an award winning pampered pet that has only been flown to church.
 

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The little old lady didn't fly it she just sat in it and listened to gospel music on the radio.
 

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After talking with Tomcat, I'm convinced the Ultimate is a fantastic airplane and will make someone a great sweetheart. Me, I've realized my heart belongs to Pitts - not necessarily logical, but then love seldom is (not to mention lust...)

As for the "pampered pet" - if you mean a plane that someone took good care of, yeah, exactly, but that doesn't mean it's only flown to church - unless "church" is a euphemism for sky play.

And by "took good care of" that just means giving a **** about things that need fixed and fixing 'em right, not with Lowes tape on the wing tips, like was on Barnstormers recently - seriously, it had the Lowes logo repeated over and over on the tape. That's not me. I fly an 1981 Mooney, and it's, as Tomcat would put it, a good 15 footer - from 15' away, it's gorgeous, because I take care of it, touch up the paint that likes to chip from the rain and sleet she flies through. Up close, well, it's an airplane, and I absolutely love it. Someday I'll have to repaint it, and before that it's sure to need a new engine.

I'd really like to find an S1S that someone has taken that good of care of - and ideally I won't have to recover it for a few years, nor o-haul the engine (tho frankly that's a whole lot easier, even if financially painful).

And I know I'm not alone here - this forum is loaded with folks lucky enough to have sweet planes. DaveMaine's photo http://www.biplaneforum.com/planes/n95m-119.html is just plain "plane porn"!! Put a Catto on that bad boy and it's perfect.

Here in RV country, where RV-4,6-7,8's practically outnumber Cessnas, there are sweethearts a plenty. One of my friends build a -7 and painted it to look like a Gee Bee, for example, and the fit and finish is as good as any Cirrus, in some ways better (e.g., it's not a Cirrus ;-)

That said, I haven't yet found wood/tube/rag EAA types here in the Portland, OR area - they're all rivet heads. I'm gonna need some mentoring and adult supervision to get started looking after a Pitts, let alone putting one back together, as is one option I'm looking at (Bob Meyer's S1T, currently in storage with the wings off). Anybody know folks around here I should talk to? What other resources are there to get started? Books? I'm a member of EAA and IAC, of course, so will try those channels (tho the local IAC chapter doesn't respond to emails from their website - sheesh, how are we expecting to recruit new members when nobody's home?)

Thanks again - and in advance - for your expert advice and opinions. The smart-ass ones, not so much ;-)

-- jdm
 

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