Prop and Exhaust?

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  1. Apr 23, 2018 #1

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    Going to buy an 0-360 for my Starduster project. What props will work with this and what exhaust? Any advice appreciated--
     
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  3. Apr 24, 2018 #3

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    Can't offer much on the prop, but for exhaust systems, talk to Clint Anderson at Custom Aircraft Parts. He made me a crossover system for my Sportsman and I'm really happy with it. He shows a system for the Starduster Too and I've talked to him about doing mine. Great workmanship and service.

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  5. Apr 25, 2018 #5

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    If WB permit, I'd go wood and enjoy a smoother ride and not worry about the crank harmonic range. You'll give up just a tad bit of performance, but it's not a Competition machine. Good choices out there. Catto if budget isn't an issue, Culver if you are budget minded. 76 x 56 or 58
     
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    "pullin_gs" didn't specify whether he's looking for a constant speed or fixed prop. An O360 could be either way, I do believe.

    What's the dash number on your O360?
     
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    All you need to do is decide what you want and what is your mission. Also where you are based(and where you are going) coupled with your and your passengers weight coupled with how much you want to spend. Hard to beat the Sen. 76EM pitched per mission for cost and performance. Wood is nice but depends on mount length(W&B).

    ALWAYS keep W&B in mind.

    Exhaust? You can salvage some factory pipes used/cheap or go for broke with custom pipes.

    Jack
     
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    If you are looking for a constant speed prop. Not all O-360 engines will do. If the engine has been set up for a fixed prop, it can be difficult to convert it to a C/S prop, while converting from a C/S to a fixed prop is easy enough.

    If you are looking for a fixed prop I think the best choice of engine is the O-360-A4A. It has a solid crankshaft which is stronger ( better for aerobatics and no annoying RPM restrictions with Sensenict metal props )
     
  9. Apr 25, 2018 #9

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    Its IO-360A2B fixed prop. Was thinking of converting it to constant speed. Still a ways to go on the build but always keeping my eye out for good deals. Thanks for the advise. I am in Ontario Canada but I do have a canopy so will be winter but no flights probably over 2 hours. Im about 190 and will have passengers sometimes in the 220lb range. Strip is 2300 grass with wires at one end so there is a lot of room there. Looking for best bang for the buck really and do not want to put a fortune that I would never get back out of it if I had to sell.
     
  10. Apr 25, 2018 #10

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    You'd best stop right now, then! :D

    Building an airplane is an exercise in fiscal irresponsibility. I'm planning on roughly $75k to build my Charger (spread out over a decade or so, so it stings less), and when it's done, I'll be lucky if I can sell it for $30k. I could buy a completed Charger for $25-35k now and be done with it, but I want the experience of building an airplane, which is the only reason it makes any sense.

    I agree with you about not putting in a fortune when you don't have to. It's just one of those things.
     
  11. Apr 25, 2018 #11

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    That is not correct. The A4A with Sensenich metal has yellow arc 2150 to 2350, avoid continuous operation in that range. I was involved with Pipers when the solid crank was designed, I flew the Cherokee 180 that had problems that resulted in the original design of the solid crank. The design of the solid crank had nothing to do with rpm limitations.
     
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    Nonetheless, if I understand this correctly, your -A4A engine "... has no provisions for a controllable-pitch propeller." Presumably, you have a solid crank (thus no ability to run oil pressure to the prop), so modifying it to use a regular hydraulic (oil-pressure controlled) constant speed prop would mean replacing the crank at a minimum. There may be electric adjustable pitch props that would not require that? You could also consider a ground adjustable prop.

    What the heck -- it's only money!

    I have an O360-A1D, which has the hollow crank, prop governor, etc. Not too worried about breaking the crank doing aerobatics. I'm old. I only do old guy aerobatics. I'll break before the crankshaft. :D
     
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    Thank you Jim, I have always believed the solid crank was exepted from these RPM limitations, so I stand corrected. :)
     
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    Where in Ontario are you?I live in Orillia and i am always looking for places to visit,I also have a Starduster.
     
  15. Apr 26, 2018 #15

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    About 15 miles west of London International. It is CWF3 in the CFS. Owner loves people coming in. If you want to come down sometime let me know and we can fire up the BBQ. Strip was the crash site of the 2nd built CF100. Lots of parts were found from the wreckage. I currently have a clip wing Taylorcraft that I keep there.
     
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    As far as exhaust goes, you can't go wrong with Clint Anderson at Custom Aircraft Parts. He did me a super nice custom crossover for my 200 HP IO-360 in my Starduster Too. By the way, he built a Starduster Too of his own.
    As far as props go, I would stick with a wood prop to avoid the RPM issues. I had a metal prop with a 2150 TO 2350 rpm range restriction, it sucks! I changed to a wood and saved 2 GPH at cruise rpm. Just my opinion, I'm sure others disagree. Worked out for me.

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    I have a Lycoming IO-360 with the Sensenich metal prop and the hollow crankshaft.

    Restricted RPM range: 2150 to 2350.

    I can't feel it in level flight, but it does not mean that it is not there ...... HOWEVER !.....,. I can feel it in a partial throttle descending flight when the prop is driving the engine. There is a VERY noticeable vibration when transitioning thru that RPM range.

    Bob
     
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    I have a whirlwind ground adjustable on my SD that has a O-320. Its very smooth and easy to set up. Price is also reasonable.
     
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    this was exactly my situation and why I went to a Sensenich wood prop, 76x58
     
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    I’m in Western NY near Buffalo would love to see some other Stardusters. Mine is located at Akron. Maybe we could all get together for a BBQ.
     

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