Simon's Ultimate 10-200 project

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  1. Jun 5, 2018 #181

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    I'll bet the tool makers on this forum could educate all of us on producing tight tolerance threads.......... I've never had to do it.
     
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    As you can see,this arrangment is done for the Firebolt.I don't know if that's safe or strong enough for serious Ultimate aerobatic.As you are an engineer,may be you can do some calculations,or ask advice to some people like Kevin Kimball.
     
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    Just got back to the hotel and took a paper and pencil. Unfortunately the skybolt method won't work since the AN665-34 fork ends themselves are already too long to work properly. In the latest version with the cut down flat latches you can see in the privious posts (the white ones) the fork end already ran till the bushing on the AN8-bolt, so I would only gain about 2-4 mm which is not enought.

    I should look for a better possibility to get those 1/4-28 threats in the bushings as good as possible. In the metric world I know lots of people and shops, but working with that american stuff is difficult in middle Europa, haha.

    Any ideas?!
     
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    Or may be,build around 6 cms longer forks for the fuselage and cabane side.Do not use forks and lugs for the spars side,but the Pitts S1 style installation,if you can remove the AN 8 bolt.I am sure AeroGraphic in England could build them,or Bruntons
     
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    At some point it will make more sense to just buy new wires and be done with it.
     
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    Bill.I am agreed with you.That makes more sense.I think,this is only about the cost.
     
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    It's more about the time frame than about the cost - I'd like to do the stress test of the airframe before august - otherwise I'd have to postpone it till fall.

    Just inquired Russ Ward from vintageaero.com - the fitting flying wires with 71.5 inches are inly 195 USD each - shipping from NZ to Germany is around 120 USD. Has anybody experience with those wires? Sounds almost too good to be true.

    Just shot Bruntons another mail, maybe the reply this time. Unfortunately the phone number won't work from my mobile phone, will try again as soon as I'm back home.

    On the other band I ordered another 1/4-28 tap with class 3 thread. I'm going to try this one and try different core holes and decide how too go on.

    We'll see - baddest thing that could happen is the delay till fall.
     
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    I don't know about VintageAero wires quality,but it's a very good price.
     
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    Several people on the forum have wires from Russ, someone will likely reply shortly. Do a search for flying wire discussions and more info will come up.
     
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    I purchased a set of wires from Russ, round wires with squared sections prior to the threads, to be used as internal drag/anti drag wires. The quality is top notch, all wires are exact to specified lengths, and they included the hardware.
    They were ready exactly when he said they would be as well.
     
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    Have heard of the vintage aero wires and at that price I’ll be enquiring for the Pitts. From all reports his wires are very nice. And possibly the only person offering wires outside of Bruntons.
     
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    Do you have any slave struts photos with both ends .Thank you
     
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    Hello Jean-Luc,

    will take a few photos. They are pretty unspectacular - one side has a GMM-type bolt end, the other side is made for a KP-4 bearing.

    Concerning the project itself: Building new lugs for the too long flying wires didn't work good enough to bet my life on it. Ordered and received new flying wires from Bruntons. Reason for choosing Bruntons over Russ from Vintageaero were the import duties and shipping. Since Bruntons is located in the UK shipping was cheap and I don't have to pay any import fees. Nevertheless: Russ really took his time to explain his procedere of manufacturing and his know-how. I'm a bit sorry for not supporting his business by ordering the wires from him. If I would life anywhere outsides the EU I would definitely choose Russ' wires! Full recommendation from me. I checked everything I could find in the internet - everyone was 100% pleased with the quality and support of Vintage Aero!

    Besides that I bought a used MTV-2 CS prop. I'm super happy about choosing a light constant speed prop due to efficiency and noise abatement reasons. A used Christen 801 system is on the way, too.

    Hopefully I can do the stress test within the next month and start covering and painting the first parts.
     
  16. Sep 21, 2018 at 6:29 PM #196

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    Hello Simon
    Thank you,but no needs for photos,as i had access to some 20-300 Ultimate plans.One KP4 on one side and a Heim MD36-14M on the the other side...very strong !!!
    Glad that you have found a propeller.About the wires cost,i remember that AeroLab was cheaper that Bruntons..surprising !!! But of course,adding taxes and shipping,was near the same.I should contact Bruntons again,to know their prices now.
    Hope to see new pics soon
     

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