Nomex flight suits

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  1. Jun 22, 2017 #1

    EAABipe40FF

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    After setting my old M1A jacket on fire while welding no way I'm wearing nylon again. I'm considering Nomex for both me and Marcia. I've always thought flight suits were over the top but I wonder?

    What are your thoughts, experiences and/or suggestions regarding comfort, hot weather etc.?

    I guess I'm somewhat fatalistic about myself but less so with my gal, getting more conservative with age or something...

    If I do go for it what's the best bang for the buck, surplus or new?

    Thanks,

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  2. Jun 22, 2017 #2

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    Its a trade-off. 99% of us don't wear nomex. If you wear a nice nylon parachute that will melt onto you in a fire if you do not use it immediately, then 90% of the time nomex clothing is a waste. If you see fire, use the parachute before it starts melting.

    Nomex might buy you time in a ground incident. I wear nomex racing gloves for that reason. Protecting my hands increases my ability to get the canopy open, belts undone, and even help my passenger. And they are bright red so that the line boys and wingmen can see my hand signals easier.

    If you limit your welding work to in the hangar, the average recreational flyer should have fire very low on the list of concerns.

    Best of luck,

    Wes
     
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    Nomex was never made for 100LL operations. Fuel will perpetrate and cook you from the inside out. I switched to Cat 1 Auto Racing suit years ago. Single layer type with elastic cuffs. They are not to expensive and are special order for your measurements.

    JST
     
  4. Jun 22, 2017 #4

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    I thought about wearing some of my old engineering nomex suits while flying...and then I (probably stupidly) decided I didn't want to sweat that much in the Texas heat and went in shorts and a t shirt.

    I'm sure it's a good idea. I think I'd spring for a helmet first, depending on the aircraft. I like the gloves idea though. Will probably get some of those at some point.
     
  5. Jun 22, 2017 #5

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    Flying with a molotov cocktail just above your kneecaps is all part of managed risk. We've had these nomex discussions on this forum before. What Wes wrote is exactly how it is. New fresh nomex underwear combined with a certified racing suit is what buys you escape time. Unless you're "all in" on doing that a nomex flight suit is more of a fashion statement. The nomex underwear is very similar to thermal under people wear in cold climates only thicker thread count. I've also written on this forum about escaping a fire wearing the nomex underwear and racing suit. No need to rehash that.
     
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    shorts, t-shirt, chuckies, parachute and helmet.......
     
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    By the way Smizo, they come in yallar too!
     
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    If you go used Nomex (like off ebay), remember with every wash the effectiveness of the fire protection diminishes.
     
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    I ware the Nomex flight suit more for the pockets to hold stuff , especially on long flights. There's also the cool factor😎
     
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    I dunno about the cool factor, but +1 for all the pockets. Keeps keys/wallet from becoming fuselage FOD.

    Plus it bugs the cr*p out of my wife :D
     
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    You're much better off not bringing keys, change, wallets, pens, cell phones, etc into the cockpit. Leave that stuff on the ground or put it in the baggage compartment.
     
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    I used to wear nomex when I did crop dusting. I sweated a lot above those south georgia fields, and didn't like it much.

    Now I figure that the blunt force trauma will kill me, so I don't worry about the fire potential. Heck, if a wooden and fabric airplane is on fire, you're kinda fooked anyway.

    This is incorrect, according to DuPont - the makers of Nomex.
     
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    Cell phone is in cockpit on 100% of flights. RAM mounted though, maybe that doesn't count.

    The rest of that stuff... just really don't relish the idea of it bouncing around in baggage. Plus I've gotta stick my head aaaaaall the way back there to get it afterward.

    Typically bring hangar key (singular), medical, cert, and credit card if I'm staying local. All in a zippered pocket. I think that's probably pretty safe to do.
     
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    If you want pockets, take a look at the 5.11, Propper, and Elbeco brand pants. "EMS" style pants have extra pockets for "stuff".

    Best of luck,

    Wes
     
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    I haven't found any Nomex suit that match my flip flops.
     
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    Best addition I've made to my plane so far is a zipper pouch on the floor just in front of my seat.
    I took one of those canvas crew chief tool bags, cut the loop handles off and screwed it right to the floor board between the stick and the seat bottom.
    Cell phone, wallet, readers, spare sunglasses and a hat all fit inside secured with a big brass zipper.
     
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    My brother and I discussed fishing vests as possible solution after he had his cellphone fall from his shirt pocket during acro and wound up behind seat in belly.
     
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    I've thought about fishing vests to carry stuff I'd want to have with me in emergency egress (PLB, emergency kit stuff, etc.). I figure that some substantial proportion of emergency exit scenarios will give me zero time to think about what to grab or to actually grab anything, and will further ensure the destruction of anything left in the plane, probably by fire.

    It would also be a handy way to ensure cellphones and keys don't become FOD in the cockpit.
     
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    I use to wear a nomex flight suit when flying in warbirds. Just part of the deal. Plus it's hot here in OK and the summer suits with just boxers is pretty cool compared to jeans etc. I have thought about seeing all the old guys growing up that wore these multi color coveralls...much like a flight suit. Seems it was "the" style back in the day. My Granddad loved them. Anyway, I see the same thing with guys and flight suits with there name or plane name on them etc. some actually are pretty cool. But most just makes me look forward to being old and wearing black socks with my Tevas and sporting giant sunglasses that look like you just came from the eye doc. 😎 I do see a real benefit if doing acro. But it's small. Just do what you like. Gloves are always a good idea. I like nice broke in deer skin gloves. (That way I don't leave finger prints on my polished aluminum prop ;-)

    (Wow they still sell these! I'm making my order NOW! ;-)
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